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Member Since: Fri, 16-May-03
Feb 22 06 9:21 PM
Quote:Ironically, you're making exactly the same statement that you accuse them of making. To state that "there is no God" is just as much as statement of belief as stating "there is a God". This makes you a hypocrite.
Quote: Hence the word "believe". Were there proof it would cease to be belief. This would therefore be a (baby) strawman.
Quote: Surely these two statements are mutually contradictory?
Quote: Firstly you denigrate the works of the great Liberal philosophers (Leo - I'd say Locke and Mill are more appropriate than Plato and Socrates here) by linking them with Hitler. In the very next paragraph you rely on exactly their arguaments to justify your behaviour. You can't have it both ways.
Quote: Christians and Jews do exactly the same, just not in public. Ever read Genesis?
Member Since: Tue, 11-Mar-03
Feb 22 06 10:05 PM
Quote:I also claim that the being they are talking about dosen't exist.
Member Since: Tue, 19-Apr-05
Feb 23 06 9:51 AM
Quote:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Quote:5: And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Quote:15: And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
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Feb 24 06 12:03 AM
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Feb 24 06 8:57 AM
Quote: Errr... no. The properties you are ascribing to this notional divine being are inherent in their divinity. You are rejecting the notion of a supernatural divine being (at least so far as I can tell). As such both sides are making the same number of assumptions. Several of the steps you mention are required logical followers of the earlier steps, rather than independent steps. The critical sentence is:
Quote: Maths isn't the only one. Thermodynamics (upon which the entire of modern society is based - without it we would have no electricity for instance) is based on a philosophical point which is still debated and is considered inherently unprovable.
Quote:In the initial contact you have with them you are still forcing them to listen to you, if by not giving them the chance to avoid you until after you start speaking. Furthermore, you indicate that the people you approach are a minority in your society - minorities often feel threatened and may feel compelled to listen to you by an unjustified fear. I should note here that I never discuss my own beliefs unless specifically asked or it is highly relevant to an ongoing conversation of which I am a part.
Quote: I repeat my earlier statement.
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Feb 24 06 10:04 PM
Quote:Here's the difference between people who are of spiritual faith (Christian, Buddist, Judaism, Islam, etc.) and non-believing people who expressly say "there is no God":
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Feb 25 06 12:03 AM
Quote:People who make the statement "There is no God" are arrogant in that they are willing to make 'finalized' statements regarding something that they absolutely cannot prove.
Feb 25 06 12:12 AM
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Feb 25 06 5:26 AM
Quote:While I personally think it's a bit of a cop-out (in most cases IMHO they're dodging a difficult subject rather than for any other reason) they are at least being logically consistent.
Feb 25 06 7:47 AM
Quote: Suspect we may be talking at cross-purposes here - I am saying that the statement "God doesn't exist" is making all the same assumptions as the statement "God does exist" and reversing them. As they are all inherently unprovable, I am suggesting that both are equally statements of belief.
Feb 25 06 9:18 AM
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