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Posts: 1396 (Wed, 18-Mar-09 03:36:15) |
Leo check this out!
http://www.boeing.com/new...2009/q1/090317a1_pr.html http://air-attack.com/new...generation-features.html *%*% Dude.... 
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Posts: 8750 (Wed, 18-Mar-09 12:31:58) Mod Team
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HOLY ******* ****! I just had an Eaglegasm.
Ok, shock over. Is this thing for real? It *is* Boeing, but I did not see that coming at all. I mean, 'low observable' Eagles? come on. It ain't the prettiest, but I guess it makes sense, now that they have lower observability Flankers in the form of the Su-35. I guess all in all this is a natural evolution, though it lacks the ruggedness I was used to. I'm not guessing this was done on order of the USAF - and they say themselves that the main target is the international market with future battlefields relying more and more and low-observability for survivability. What more, it's simply a matter of replacing the CFT to get the normal external loadout of the E, it seems. So it's got AESA, EFCS, canted stabilizers, lighter airframe, RAM coating, internal weapons bay. Never thought I'll see the day they'd make a stealth-wannabe Eagle, but there it is. Crazy. I'm guessing Israel might show interest down the line, as the project progresses. What more with the F-22 and the F-35's price soaring, I wouldn't completely discount the USAF getting a few, either... What I'm wondering about is who is that oh-so-secret 'international partner' of this project. Anyway, thanks for the story comvi. You just made my week. |
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Posts: 6382 (Wed, 18-Mar-09 13:26:31) |
....so in other words it's RCS section is still greater than a clean f-16. great
they have made no attempt at wing body blending, which actually wouldnt be so hard on this aircraft. that would help for a start. it wouldnt go a miss to put some leading edge flaps either. if they havent done any work on an intake curvature (which i don't think they have) then those f-100's are still in plane sight as well. they are really pushing this airframe now in my opinion. i don't see israel getting an either. they would be far better off getting typhoons
"For those whos dreams were taken. Here are a few nightmares. This is gonna shine like a diamond in a goat's ass."
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Posts: 8751 (Wed, 18-Mar-09 14:50:19) Mod Team
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I agree they're really pushing the airframe. It's basically a really clean F-15 so it's probably not going to be less of an RCS than a clean F-16,
but you never know how much of an effect does the RAM and canted stabilizers have... Though as you said, the whole intage and probably visible engine is a big
radar beacon. It's not entirely visible what they did on the inside if anything though, so you never know.
Better off or not, Israel is not going to by an major weapons platform on the aircraft level that is not American. Besides the fact that the Israelis don't actually need to pay for a lot of the stuff they buy from the US, there's also the matter of familiar technology concepts reducing training costs and effort, and there's also the matter of Europe not being considered very reliable to the Israelis due to their history of embargo every other Thursday, ish. I wouldn't be against getting a squad of these along with the F-35s. I wonder what will the price tag be though. Also, isn't it weird that they're building something that will essentially compete against their own Super Hornet on the international market? |
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Posts: 8752 (Thu, 19-Mar-09 00:48:22) Mod Team
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There's a much more in-depth article about it on aviation week:
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/Silent031709.xml&headline=Boeing%20Unveils%20New%20Stealthy%20F-15&channel=defense |
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Posts: 6384 (Thu, 19-Mar-09 14:25:57) |
still, they cannot actually think they will dupe anyone into thinking this fighter is a stealth one.
i'd also like to know if this aircraft really does have a 5th generation sensor suit. i mean if it has the capabilities of the f-35 electronically, the pilot will have a fairly nice office in which to work in and with. but i just don't see it myself. you're right. they wont look beyond the US for fighter aircraft...but the typhoon would be a pretty sweet choice. trench3 would do you some good alongside the f-35 pyxis is right what he said before though. trench3 should have been the aircraft rolling out now
"For those whos dreams were taken. Here are a few nightmares. This is gonna shine like a diamond in a goat's ass."
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Posts: 8753 (Thu, 19-Mar-09 20:19:31) Mod Team
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Yeah... Yeah.
Still, making the *EAGLE* low observable to any extent is a crazy achievement. Looks like they are focusing on the frontal RCS area, as it were. I don't doubt the parts about the advanced sensor suit. It's a big architecture and fairly open as a platform - I believe they can do whatever they want with it, including putting on F-22 / F-35 avionics. Heck, they did more with less with the Hornet... The Typh is a strong bird, I agree. But I don't like it as an option for the Israelis even if it was a remote possibility, more for political reasons than otherwise. Just like some countries can't reply on the US as a supplyer of military platforms, we can't rely on Europe for such. Too many backstabs on our history books.
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Posts: 1397 (Thu, 19-Mar-09 21:23:26) |
You're welcome Leo, anytime
As hell yeah as I'm about this, I remain just a little disappointed that Boeing's proposal was not as ambitious as the original McDonnell Douglas F-15 ATF. I can't find pics of it online but I remmeber an artist conceptual drawing in the aerofax F-15 volume in the aerofax series. The wings were planform dimond shaped and it had LOAN style jet nozzels. Really Radical looking. Also in the long list of cool F-15 concepts that never made production was the F-15XX. A supercruising Strike Eagle with wing tip missile rails. 
So with the lighter airframe and newer powerplants will the F-15 "Special Edition" supercruise? How low will the front RCS be? If it is better than the 4.5 Gen fighters then thats a selling point. No way you will get all aspect stealth but what pratical stealth you can enginer will still have an impact. If you are hard to track in a head on merge you will get the first shot advantage right? So which mod of the rival Flanker vs. Eagle is now tops? Su-35BM or the F-15SE? I don't think the SH or the F-15SE are in the same weight class. There is a market for it out of the airforces that already use the Eagle maybe (though I conceed not liklely) possibly new costumers? Compition for the SH? I don't think so, different market segment. |
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Posts: 4674 (Thu, 19-Mar-09 22:08:01) Mod Team
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I logged in back here after months just to make sure this was either posted by Leo or to see if he was the first person to respond AND that he had had an
orgasm.
I was right on all counts, I see. 
=_= GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY! Tomcats Forever! |
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Posts: 8755 (Fri, 20-Mar-09 01:07:56) Mod Team
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Meh. I won't be happy till the give it canards and TVC.
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Posts: 6388 (Fri, 20-Mar-09 20:39:56) |
go get some tissues before you watch this, leo
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=533_1237568382
"For those whos dreams were taken. Here are a few nightmares. This is gonna shine like a diamond in a goat's ass."
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Posts: 8759 (Sat, 21-Mar-09 05:12:56) Mod Team
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Saw it, but thanks. Pretty cool.
Say, shouldn't these deploy faster for combat purposes? I realise this is just a demonstration, but waiting for that thing to open and be ready to launch might cost you your Sidewinder window, no? |
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Posts: 6390 (Sat, 21-Mar-09 05:14:55) |
those were 4 doors and 4 AMRAAMs
i'd hope it could carry more than 4 A2A missiles too
"For those whos dreams were taken. Here are a few nightmares. This is gonna shine like a diamond in a goat's ass."
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Posts: 8760 (Sat, 21-Mar-09 05:46:38) Mod Team
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The articles say it's either Slammers or Sidewinders. I'm guessing that's the whole capacity, I mean, as long as you're limited to internal
stores, there are only so many places you can push armament into - with the F-22 it was different because it was designed with internal carriage in mind. Here,
the conformal tanks are all they have to work with...
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Posts: 3072 (Sun, 22-Mar-09 20:37:35) Local user |
I dont see the point in making this aircraft. I think the money would be better spent elsewhere.
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Posts: 8764 (Sun, 22-Mar-09 22:20:22) Mod Team
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It's for export, Richard. If anything, it will be bringing more money in...
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Posts: 300 (Mon, 23-Mar-09 06:29:01) |
richard wrote:I think the point is the American F15 fleet is getting a bit long in the tooth, as they say. The newest Russian Su types compare favorably with the F15. With all the discussion of canceling the F22 program and the F35 never being more than passable in that role; some sort of modernized F15 would be a likely sale to the Americans. 
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Posts: 1398 (Wed, 1-Apr-09 02:10:21) |
I wonder if it's possible to give a similar upgrade to the older F-15s (A-D)
The bulk of the air force will need something to fly since there will never be more then a token number of F-22s and their will most likely be substantial cuts for the JSF across the board. |
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Posts: 8779 (Wed, 1-Apr-09 02:15:44) Mod Team
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It's pointless for the A/Bs, considering how long ago was the last built, I doubt there are many even flying. C/Ds aren't that far behind.
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Posts: 1399 (Thu, 2-Apr-09 20:20:59) |
Maybe... but the air force needs something for CAP over home airspace and the out of control cost of the JSF will mean a lot fewer units then planed. The
A-10, F-15, and the F-16 will be around for a long time to come. Radical upgrades will be needed to keep them flying much less surviable in modern combat.
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Posts: 8780 (Fri, 3-Apr-09 03:35:09) Mod Team
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It's all up to how well can the service 'sell' the need for more aircraft to the congress. Modernizing old aircraft can only get you so far, as i
said - the aircraft have a limited number of hours they can make before turning hazardous. There's already been that incident with the F-15s.
Point is, unless they convince the government more aircraft are needed - there will simply be less aircraft. That's all there is to it. |
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